Originally by: Archivian Specialatus

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Originally by: Liang Nuren

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Originally by: Archivian Specialatus

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And I saw an comment about Apocs earlier, about them doing so much DPS at 80km. Well you can push that to about 120km or a little less, and it works out about the same dps as a sniper build but with halve the range and less tank. People seem to forget that the Apoc gets no damage bonus.

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In general, your comment is utter rubbish. I'll address this point though.

No, we didn't "forget" that the Apoc has no damage bonus. The fact that it outdamages a double damage bonused ship (The Tempest) in all possible situations highlights just how broken lasers really are.

TBH, I think it's really funny how you can not understand that the Apoc is the worst offender of the most overpowered battleship lineup on TQ. Once this patch hits, it'll be much worse.

There literally won't be any reason whatsoever to fly a Gallente or Minmatar BS.

-Liang

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Tempest = 1000dps +500dps tank/ can track better and hit harder within 30km. enough tracking to kill nanos. Tempest is also a better sniper, considering it can tank whilst it does it and has a better alpha.
Also you can use a Tempest like a mega.

Bottom line, build the right ship for the job. Again this seems to be a complaint coz people have to actually think about how to build a ship for a job, and know where their own weaknesses lie.

I seen a pirate take on a small mixed fleet in a Tempest. coz he prepared for it. And killed off every bit of fluffy stuff by insta popping most of them.

The Apoc has a very good bonus, which it needed to be honest. But considering that for its bonu, to make good use of it, it still does only a bit more damage than a sniper build and at half the range and with zero tank, in sniper build it hits less, has sniper range and no tank. The Tempest does a little less damage for sniper range the range, bigger alpha and can still tank 500dps.or u could sac the tank for Tracking and have a sniper with better tracking than most.

the main thing is that you are a crap load more versitile in a tempst coz of that one extra midslot and you do more dps. I do think Minmatar BS should be looked at. But much of the problems stated are still around not having the right kit for the right situation, and not using ur brain to build properly and know what u can and cant fight.

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Originally by: Archivian Specialatus

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Originally by: Theron Gyrow

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Originally by: Archivian Specialatus

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800mm auto +hail x6, seige x2 + javalin T2, 4 t2 gyro's +2 BCS. 5 hammerhead 2s. level 5 skills.

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That's... an interesting fit. Now then, how does it get the 500 DPS tank you said it has at the same time?

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shield tank

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